Tuesday, September 30, 2008

This is what Obama means by Change

Just Shaking my head!

And now they're going to start pressuring the BIA on behalf of the Freedmen - we need some transparancy on this Congressional Black Caucus! CBC is wrong on Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac and they're WRONG on the Freedmen issue!

Well, this is interesting....

The Congressional Black Caucus was the group that was cutting off funding to the Cherokee Nation...

Do we really want the government to handle this crisis?

McCain tried!

Non Indian Freedmen can access this

if they are Tribal Citizens:

The program also offers free help to in making contacts to sell goods and in bookkeeping, she said.

Participants must be a citizen of a federally recognized American Indian tribe, live within the 14-county jurisdictional area of the Cherokee Nation, be at least 13 years old and meet low-income guidelines (but we're going to bailout folks in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac that didn't have to prove any income!) as defined by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development.


But Cherokee Citizens outside the 14 county area can't access these funds!

More funding going to non Indians than Indians!

More Rescue News

Regulators To Offer Guidelines For Fair-value Accounting


Now how about those antiqued regulations, think we can get a start on those before Thurs?

Hey, the Free Market may just bring us into the 21st Century after all!

More voices on what's going on here!


FDIC can raise limits

Well, this would sure stop some bleeding....and give some protection....


Let's just see what happens if credit doesn't get a boost...oh...you may have to live within your means...you may have to *save up* some funds to buy that $30,000.00 car, that use to cost $10,000.00 a few years ago...and if sellers couldn't sell their cars or products, you might find that prices will come down...

Deflation...hardly....just a market correction for the average American who is expected to keep the world economy afloat!

Just say no, to market manipulation! Congress and Wall Street want this *bailout* put in place before the Jobs Report comes out...isn't that interesting....so now we'll have fewer people paying for that credit for higher priced products and the price will probably go up even more.... then when they tax business, we'll have more of them going out of the US with our jobs....so now the government has to *take care* of more and more of us....well, just ask the Indians what kind of a job they do on that!!

Keep our Free Market safe! Say no to Socialism and Market Manipulation!

Both Houses of Congress recognize Citizenship is an Internal Tribal Affair

Cherokee Nation News Release
(918) 453-5378 FAX (918) 458-6181
Cherokee Nation Director of Communications@cherokee.org
© Cherokee Nation - All Rights Reserved

September 29, 2008

Both Houses of Congress Vote to Let Courts Decide Freedmen Issue

Washington, D.C.— Both the United States Senate and House of Representatives have passed measures preserving Cherokee Nation’s federal funding for housing services, as long as a court order allowing citizenship for non-Indian Freedmen descendants remains in place throughout the tribal court case that will determine their eligibility for citizenship in the Cherokee Nation.

“The language in the bill is a sign that Congress recognizes the sovereignty and authority of tribal courts to settle internal disputes, which should be considered a victory for not only the Cherokee Nation but all tribes,” said Chad Smith, Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation.

The provision was included in the Native American Housing and Self-Determination Act reauthorization passed by the Congress late last week. Currently, more than 300 non-Indian descendants of Freedmen are suing the Cherokee Nation in tribal district court over a constitutional amendment passed by Cherokee voters in March 2007 that restricted citizenship to people who have an Indian ancestor listed on the Cherokee Nation’s base roll. That amendment effectively ended a one-year period in which non-Indians were allowed to register as citizens based on a 2006 tribal court ruling. Those non-Indian Freedmen whose citizenship is in question have full citizenship rights, including access to social services and the right to vote, because of a May 2007 tribal court order that continues citizenship while the case is pending.

“While it is unfortunate that Congress voted to single out an Indian tribe over a disagreement about the tribe’s internal citizenship criteria, it is a good sign that they have decided that this is a matter that should be decided by the courts and not by politics,” Smith said. “I want to thank Senators Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.) and Lisa Murkowski (D-Alaska), as well as Congressmen Dan Boren (D-Okla.), Melvin Watt (D-N.C.), Maxine Waters (D-Calif.), Barney Frank (D-Mass.), Dale Kildee (D-Mich.) and Steve Pearce (R-N.M.) for their leadership and for proposing a solution that is not punitive to Cherokees who need housing assistance, since the matter is still being decided in a court of law.” (our Chief is far to gracious to Rep Watt, Waters and Frank - they indeed took far too long to stand up and speak up for the Cherokee People! Let's see an END to that behind closed doors CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS! Let's see some transparency to this Congressional Black Caucus!)

More information on the Cherokee Nation and the issue of non-Indian Freedmen citizenship is available online at

http://www.cherokeenationfacts.org/ and http://www.meetthecherokee.org/.

Freedmen Shame their Ancestors by Disrepecting the Cherokee People

Actor Danny Glover and Rep. Watson Highlight CBC Panel on Cherokee Freedmen

Calibre MacroWorld

Congressman Diane E. Watson - Representing California's 33rd Congressional District (she voted for the Bailout Bill by the way)

September 27, 2008

Actor Danny Glover and Congresswoman Diane Watson Highlight Congressional Black Caucus Panel on Cherokee Freedmen Washington, DC- 'It is past time for Congress to act,' said Diane Watson, addressing the Congressional Black Caucus's (CBC) Annual Legislative Conference yesterday in Washington, D.C. 'The D.C. Court of Appeals has ruled that Cherokee officials cannot discriminate against the Freedmen in violation of the Treaty of 1866 and 13th Amendment (Supreme Court has ruled the Bill of Rights doesn't apply to Indian Tribes, so I guess this will end up in the Supreme Court if they continue this train of thought),' Watson said. 'Congress must step in to enforce the treaty rights of the Freedmen.' And Congress did step in today, passing a bill authorizing housing funds to Indian tribes but exempting the Cherokee Nation from participation if it denies funds to the Freedmen. 'We are happy that Congress provided some enforcement to the treaty rights of the Freedmen to participate in the housing package, but it is only a small step towards equality and unfortunately only impacts about 10% of the Cherokee Freedmen,' said Freedmen's lead counsel Jon Velie, also a panelist at the CBC conference. (oh, give me a break - the rest of us have to follow the rules, but these folks believe they can just come in and change the Cherokee Nation *at will* - half of these *Freedmen* don't even have an ancestor on the Dawes Roll much less any Cherokee Ancestor - it is still the feeling of this writer that they really need to join the Black Indian Tribe - and oh, my there are CHEROKEE that won't benefit from that Housing Bill! You want us to feel sorry for the Freedmen???)

Mr. Velie explained that despite the D.C. Court of Appeals direction that tribal officials could not violate the treaty, Cherokee officials have ceased processing Freedmen citizenship applications, freezing enrollment at 2,800. '23,000 or 90% Cherokee Freedmen are denied their treaty guaranteed citizenship rights and therefore cannot participate in the housing package. (NO, wrong again - 90% of these Freedmen don't have an ancestor on the Dawes Roll much less a Cherokee Ancestor - they just want citizenship because they *live* in Oklahoma - apparently the public isn't aware that there are a lot of people of all races that can't prove or didn't have an Ancestor on the Dawes Roll, so guess what, they don't meet the citizenship requirments of the Cherokee Nation - so you ask, there are two other bands of Cherokee - how come these Freedmen aren't trying to *break-in* those groups - well, they have a blood quantum requirement and the Cherokee Nation doesn't, so it's easier to try and bully us around!!) The bill does nothing to ensure the rights of these people. While the bill accurately details the horrible state many Indian people are encountering and the need for housing to prevent homelessness and protect families, the vast majority of poor and needy Cherokee Freedmen will be left to fend for themselves as the housing and financial crisis hits their communities.' Danny Glover, actor and activist, praised the long relationship between Indian and African American people, citing the tradition of Indian people taking in escaped slaves during the early days of America. He referenced that his character in the movie Lonesome Dove was a buffalo soldier (Buffalo Soldiers from what I understand were responsible for the establishment of many *Indian Schools - read earlier posts on the horrors of these schools, Buffalo Soldiers did Indians no favors!) based on a Seminole Freedmen. Mr. Glover stated he participated on the panel out of deep respect for and in memory of his Choctaw grandmother. He expressed his profound disappointment in the actions of the Cherokees and the other four tribes (Seminole, Creek, Choctaw, and Chickasaw) that have denied the descendants of former slaves equal standing in their tribes.

Marilyn Vann, lead plaintiff of the Federal suit and Band Chief of the Freedmen Band of the Cherokee Nation and President of the Descendants of the Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes, told the stories of Freedmen who held offices in the Cherokee Nation throughout history, stories of current Freedmen, like Ruth Adair Nash whose most prized possession is her Cherokee Membership and voting card issued to her in 1975. Ms. Vann also told of Charlene White, an elder Cherokee speaking Freedmen from Tahlequah, Oklahoma, capital of the Cherokee Nation, who relies on tribal health benefits to combat her diabetes. (Obama if elected will give these folks a *better health plan*, Congress has never given Indians adequate medical care! so they won't need Indian Health care - so this is a Non Indian taking Indian funds!!)

Moderator Wayne Thompson declared that the 1866 treaty is the law and the U.S. must hold Cherokee officials responsible. But it is not just about the law, he said, it is also about morality and justice. Mr. Thompson said 148 years ago the Cherokee Nation went to war against the U.S. with the Confederacy to preserve slavery and lost. Today, the slave-holding aristocracy of the Cherokee Nation cannot continue its Jim Crow segregation policies. (lol...so they're going to force us to violate our constitution?? - what about the Congressional Black Caucus? they going to open that to *everyone* as well - this is the audacity of hypocrisy!!)

Allen Mitchell, a Creek Freedmen told the story of losing his citizenship in the Muscogee (Creek) Nation with the implementation of the Oklahoma Indian Welfare Act in the 1970's.

Cherokee citizen David Cornsilk told the audience the Cherokee leadership has not always been racist, but the current administration has lost its Cherokee ways. Mr. Cornsilk said he was saddened by the actions that have been taken against his Cherokee Freedmen brothers and sisters. (Many Cherokee Citizens are saddened that Mr. Cornsilk and his father are working and continue to work to tear down the legitimate Cherokee Nation by spewing hatred against their own people, in hopes of using a Freedmen voting block within the Cherokee Nation - the United Cherokee Nation has no legitmate grounds to insist on this course of action - and they themselves have adopted almost all the *white* concepts for over 200 years) He told the story of Molly, the slave who was adopted by a Cherokee family in the 1830's. Molly was given her freedom and given a Cherokee name and despite her skin color was taken in as a Cherokee. Molly had a large family, who was also taken into the Cherokee community as free people. When a white lady claimed Molly and her family as her property, Cherokee Chief White Path declared she was Cherokee and fought off the slavers. Mr. Cornsilk helped Cherokee Freedmen Lucy Allen win a lawsuit in the Cherokee's highest Court - a lawsuit seeking reinstatement of Freedmen descendants in the tribe -- before it was dissolved by tribal officials and replaced by a new court and packed with new judges by the current Chief. (not accurate information - Joe Bryd tried to dissolve the Cherokee Court years ago - ask yourselves this - if John and David Cornsilk have their own *tribe* United Cherokee Nation - or whatever, it's called*, why aren't the Freedmen included among them instead of fighting to get citizenship into a Tribe that requires everyone else to have a Cherokee Ancestor on the Dawes Roll? - Treaty my foot, half these Freedmen aren't even covered under that Treaty!!)

Find out more at the Congresswoman's official website:


Contact: Bert Hammond (202) 225-7084

Lois Hill Hale

(323) 965-1422

More info on Marked to Market and Short Selling

Ok, marked to market better explained...apparently this is a valuation to a market that doesn't exist - I'd say that means the value is *zero*...also for short selling - *they neglect to borrow stock before selling it short* - wow, this is a venture into a whole *new world*....


Wow - melt down jitters

I'm always leery of folks that say *you must* or *you have to* or the *house must* in this case. It's been painful for some folks for quite some time!


Any moron can see that if you want a bill to pass, they're going to have to put Pelosi and Frank in the hall on chairs, til the bill gets passed...their reckless *comments* sent the first bill south.


You play the market, you take the risk...is that a new concept to those that lost this $1 trillion on Monday?


And after all this, they're going to tell us, *it's a win-win deal* - yeah right, like anyone on main street is going to see any of that $700 Billion.


They make plenty off your credit as well - let's see that's what 22% on credit cards, not to mention those car loans - so just exactly how does this *win-win* work?

Monday, September 29, 2008

Ok, Bad to Worse

The more I learn about this economic crisis the less I know.....whew....

Mark to Market - apparently an accounting procedure for valuing *things* in this case *paper*...this accounting procedure is said to *under value* *things* as bad gets worse, akin to a *fire sale* and over value things when bad goes to better... then sandwiched in all this is some sort of ratio of bad debt to assets...so as the value of the debt gets larger, they have to raise more capital or assets to keep that ratio in place...I think... thus the bubble that just keeps growing and which now has apparently popped.

Good grief, what happened to the value of something was, what a willing buy would pay for something a seller had or a willing seller would sell to a willing buyer....that sounds like what the thing is worth to me....

Apparently because of this mark to marketing thing...the fed is going to pay over, 2 or 3 times, what the *paper* is currently valued at...I think...

I suspect the politicians don't have a clue what all this is about, except that if they voted for this bill, they were going to be out the door come election time....

Here's how they voted:


I've got a headache from all this!

Oh and in 2004, Rep Maxine Waters, Rep Frank and a few others all stated Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were doing just fine - no changes needed...of course we know, the Fed has taken them over as well.

Then there's the Goldman Sachs interest in AIG and Paulson is a former CEO of Goldman Sachs - boy this is really getting dicey - and yes, I sorta feel for Paulson, former CEO of Sachs, boy, is he learning that government works a whole lot different than a private company...apparently most folks are saying his purchase or what ever he did with AIG would make Tony Soprano proud, as in the lending rate is close to loan shark level....

Anyone out there think the average ordinary person is going to make out in this deal?

Then there was something called a short sell ... this is some type of *bet* that a company or investors could make that a company *would* fail, well, that did a number on the stock market...thus Wall Street is now getting a reputation for being Las Vegas East...(the Huckabee Show on Fox - good show if you've not seen it...:)) Sounds like someone *put* too much on Wall Street and the Fed had to *call* it in...ok, I have no clue what puts and calls are....

Interesting observation

Dems are having a news conference and the more they talk the further down the Dow goes...

This is their conference on why the Bailout Bill didn't pass...they are the majority and not even enough Dems voted for this bill to pass it...

Pelosi and Frank are just sinking any solution further and further into the ground with all their blaming of the Republicans on this matter...

Let the Free Market work! Keep government out of it...this might even bring the costs of life down...

They all need to take a visit to Pine Ridge Indian Reservation and see how American Indians survive! Americans get it, we can do it and we'll have a better America for it!

Let the Free Market work! NO SOCIALISM!

John McCain had warned at least a year ago this was going to happen and like this passed week - Congress did nothing! The Dems can't get passed the politics of it.

Yep, a good ole modern day Boston Tea Party....:)

Sunday, September 28, 2008

No to more spending!

Yes we will!

Yes we will!

The Plan

Everyone's calling this something different but this is a link to what is suppose to help the fincancial markets:


Taxes on Wall Street

You all realize when the Dems talk about taxing wall street or the wealthy corporations, those *taxes* are passed on to the consumer?

So if you tax banks, your fees for doing business at the bank are going to go up, is that what we really want? Higher fees on loans, accounts and other products and services that banks offer. Oh, it may take awhile for that to happen, sure, but in the end we know who really pays for all this!

When they tax corporations, of any size, small businesses go OUT of business and large corporations start moving out of the U.S. taking needed American Jobs with them, is that what we want?

So how does that hold the irresponsible who got us into this mess, responsible and that includes Congresspeople who pressured lenders to make all these bogus loans!!


Some things are just WORTH reading...lol

He ventured forth to bring light to the world

The anointed one's pilgrimage to the Holy Land is a miracle in action - and a blessing to all his faithful followers

for the entire story:

No Native American Should be Without Adequate Housing!!

Native American Loans

If you are Native American and have a roll card to prove it or know someone who does you need to inquire about this mortgage loan as soon as possible. The government has set back millions of dollars for you and you need to take advantage of it.

The rates are as good or even better than conventional loans but they blow conventional loans out of the water because they require no monthly mortgage insurance. Refinancing or purchasing? It doesn't matter, no other type of loan can compete. Whether you have perfect credit or little to no credit we can help. Plus there is no income limits and loan amounts go over $300,000.

for more information:

Senator Murkowski on Palin

Murkowski also spoke a bit on McCain’s running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, who has been something of a political foe to the Murkowski family ever since she defeated Lisa Murkowski’s father, Frank Murkowski, in his bid for re-election as governor of Alaska in 2006.

The senator said it’s tough to say how Palin has performed on Indian issues in Alaska, since almost every broad issue – energy, the environment, education, health – connects in some substantial way with Alaska Natives.

She said that Palin’s appointment of an energy czar and the implementation of a subcommittee on climate change are both gubernatorial developments that could be viewed as positive developments for large numbers of Alaska Natives.

“Keep in mind that Gov. Palin is married to a man who is part Native from out in the Bristol Bay area.”

The senator also said she would never hesitate to pick up the phone to talk Indian shop with Palin.

“I think she’s a little bit busy right now, so probably not right at the moment,” she said with a laugh.

“Were she to be part of this next administration as vice president to McCain, I think it would be very helpful for those who are trying to understand some of the challenges that face Alaska Natives."


McCain and Indian Gaming

Campbell sheds light on McCain gaming bill from 2006
By Jerry Reynolds

Story Published: Sep 26, 2008

Story Updated: Sep 26, 2008


WASHINGTON – Ben Nighthorse Campbell, Northern Cheyenne former senator and unabashed backer of Sen. John McCain in his bid for the presidency, shed light on a McCain legislative initiative that has come back to haunt him among tribes – his bill in 2005 and 2006, when he chaired the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs, to change the rules on off-reservation gaming.

The anti-gaming bill has come up regularly in conversation during campaign season as a counter against McCain among Indian leaders and individuals alike.

Though McCain’s bill never came close to becoming law, and ultimately provided a “grandfather” clause that would have exempted would-be gaming tribes that had gone along with the old rules from full compliance with the new ones, many tribes took it as part and parcel of an anti-gaming movement that had gathered steam in California – where counties were pushing the issue, Campbell said. In the House of Representatives, former Republican Rep. Richard Pombo sponsored a bill much stricter than McCain’s.

“That was sort of his re-election bill,” Campbell said. The Pombo bill failed, though not by much, and so did Pombo’s re-election hopes.

McCain’s bill had a much different back story, Campbell related, implicating National Indian Gaming Commission Chairman Phil Hogen.

“I know how that bill got written, because I used to be the chairman [of the SCIA]. And when they [NIGC] wanted to grow their Indian gaming commission, I wouldn’t let ’em, because we were getting letters and direct testimony back from tribes, saying, ‘These guys are being punitive, they’re beating up on us,’ and so on.

“And, I was there in ’88 when we wrote that bill [Indian Gaming Regulatory Act] ... and there was nothing supposed to be punitive in that language. We had to have some kind of an overseeing federal agency, but the concept, the congressional intent, was that they would help tribes conform with the law, not muscle them around. ...

“We were getting so much mail about it that I simply wouldn’t give them a budget, so they couldn’t grow it; they couldn’t make a bad situation worse.

“When I left [retired] and McCain took over though [in 2005], they thought, ‘A-ha, new chairman now, we’ll go talk to him.’ And so ... they sort of wrote it for him and talked him into carrying the thing. But he didn’t fight it. ...

“He’s a good friend of mine, but I really opposed that bill, and went and talked to some other senators about the reality, about what that bill would do,” Campbell said. “That bill, very frankly, was written by NIGC, not McCain. Phil Hogen’s folks wrote that bill, and he [McCain] carried it. But to his credit, he didn’t fight for it or push it much. He introduced it. I think he did one hearing or something on it, one or two. But when he realized there was some opposition in Indian country, and the bill was badly written, he didn’t force it, he didn’t fight for it.”

Campbell’s account supports others given anonymously, including one that ascribes Hogen’s recent regulatory maneuvers on Class II and Class III classification standards to a likely lack of political backing on Capitol Hill during the current 110th Congress of 2006 and 2007.

Indian Housing Bill OK'd

Indian housing bill OK'd after change

By JIM MYERS World Washington Bureau
Last Modified: 9/28/2008 2:58 AM

WASHINGTON — The U.S. House gave final approval Saturday to an Indian housing bill that was endangered by efforts to punish the Cherokee Nation for trying to bar descendants of former slaves from tribal citizenship.

Approved by a voice vote, the bill now includes a provision that allows the Cherokees to receive housing benefits as long as a tribal court order allowing the so-called freedmen citizenship remains in place pending a final decision.

An earlier version passed by the House last year would have denied benefits to the tribe until it recognized the freedmen descendants as citizens.

Rep. Dan Boren, D-Okla., expressed approval of the amended provision.

"We can all agree that this has been a very contentious issue at times,'' said Boren, whose congressional district is home to the Cherokee Nation and 16 other federally recognized tribes in Oklahoma.

"However, it has always been my belief that we in Congress should let the courts finish their work on this matter before interfering.''

Earlier this year, Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, had warned he would not take the bill back to the floor for final approval without the earlier version of the Cherokee language. Frank also predicted the bill had to have that language to guarantee approval.


(maybe the days of Congressional Extortion by Franks and the Congressional Black Caucus are over! Nice work, Chief Smith! See what congress CAN do - this was done on a voice vote by the way took a few floor comments and a vote and it was done - what maybe 15 minutes - amazing isn't it - Congress takes care of everyone else in the WORLD except it's citizen Indians - it's about time Frank, Congressional Black Caucus and Pelosi wake up and realize their careers are on the short path; boy, I gotta tell you, this housing bill really needs to be at least 1 to 2 billion, if they can bailout wall street with 700 billion, 1 or 2 billion to the Tribes of this country is just a drop in the bucket!)

Saturday, September 27, 2008

Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now - ACORN

(Some talk about 20% of any returns in the bailout plan goes to Acorn):

Cuyahoga board probes ACORN voter registration drive
Posted by Joe Guillen August 27, 2008 23:55PM

CLEVELAND -- A national organization that conducts voter registration drives for low-income people has curtailed its push in Cuyahoga County after the Board of Elections accused its workers of submitting fraudulent registration cards.

The board is investigating the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. Results of the inquiry could be turned over to the county prosecutor.

Board employees said ACORN workers often handed in the same name on a number of voter registration cards, but showing that person living at different addresses. Other times, cards had the same name listed, but a different date of birth. Still another sign of possible fraud showed a number of people living at an address that turned out to be a restaurant.

"I'm obviously very concerned," Board Chairman Jeff Hastings said. "This goes to the essence of our democracy."

ACORN had a part-time staff of 30 who worked five days a week to find unregistered people. The workers made $8 an hour and were required to sign up 20 voters in each five-hour shift.

The elections board's registration department said in a report that ACORN's quota contributed to the possible fraud.

ACORN stopped the registration efforts of the part-timers on Aug. 15. Three salaried employees continue the drive to sign up voters.

Kristopher Harsh, head organizer for the agency's Cleveland office, said it is unlikely a full-fledged movement will resume before the Nov. 4 election.

ACORN has submitted about 75,000 voter registration cards to the Cuyahoga board this year.

Board employees are unsure how many of the cards are fraudulent. But the voter registration department received so many suspicious cards that it began compiling a binder with evidence. The binder grew to be an inch-thick.

At its Tuesday meeting, the elections board cancelled five fraudulent registrations submitted by ACORN workers. The cases involved already-registered voters who alerted the board after being notified by mail that their registration records had been updated.

Fraudulent cards not caught by the board should not harm the November election, said Betty Grant Edwards, manager of the board's registration department. She said information on registration cards must match required identification shown at the polls. If the facts do not match, a voter receives a provisional ballot and the information is checked before the vote is counted.

ACORN is a national organization that promotes social justice for low and moderate-income families. It is among many groups, some politically affiliated, that register voters.

In August 2006, elections boards in Franklin and Summit counties investigated potentially bogus registration cards submitted by ACORN. The Franklin board turned over 500 cards to its county prosecutor, but the board's Deputy Director Matthew Damschroder said the prosecutor could not file charges because it was impossible to nail down who filled out the fake cards.

ACORN's national voter registration director, Kimberly Olsen, said Cleveland voter registration efforts have been wildly successful.

"We hit our goals early, registering 86,000 people in Cleveland proper," Olsen said Wednesday in a written statement.

Elections board member Eben "Sandy" McNair said it was doubtful the agency deliberately defrauded voters.

"You had a badly run operation that was not paying sufficient attention," he said.

Economics 101

If this goes as a straight bailout it means the Government takes assets i.e. the toxic mortgages at what 23 to 50 cents on the dollar and then holds them until the market rises to a level where they can sell them again for what 50 cents to a dollar on the dollar. This in effect manipulates at least the housing market by keeping prices on housing high. So why should the government benefit from this, in effect we know some of these houses are going to probably go to *government cronies* at reduced prices, much like the Dawes Commission and their political cronies took Indian land from individual Indians. The public will never know about this.

An insurance plan, way better than a bailout, although not perfect, paid for by the Wall Streeters and Bankers who started this whole mess, even if pressured by Congress to make these bad loans, should have just said no, but at least they will pay for it and Congress equally as guilty of this whole mess will not be the only one to benefit.

You think the taxpayers are going to benefit. Think again! Any return on a bailout will come into Congress, never to be seen or heard from again.

Basic economics says: more out go than income means trouble down the line - Wall Street and Congress need to know that the tax payers are not an endless source of revenue!

Congressional Black Caucus not looking for a solution, just spewing more of their bigotry

Associated Press - September 26, 2008 11:55 PM ET

TULSA, Okla. (AP) - Actor Danny Glover says other American Indian tribes will follow the example of the Cherokee Nation if it succeeds in blocking tribal citizenship for freedmen descendants. (see how little they understand, not all Tribes are a one size fits all! Freedmen in Oklahoma are the only ones claiming they have *treaty right membership*, when the treaty states no such thing and has been modified and litigated in the courts for a good 100 years now - precedents do not support their position)

Speaking at a forum hosted by members of the Congressional Black Caucus in Washington, Glover called on the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma to allow freedmen descendants into the tribe with full citizenship rights. (so how come he's not calling on the Congressional Black Caucus to also allow other than Black congressional members into their caucus)

A March 2007 vote by Cherokee Nation voters to remove freedmen descendants from tribal rolls has been challenged in court. Freedmen are descendants of former slaves owned by the Cherokee Nation. (Freedmen do not have a Cherokee Ancestor, thus they are not Cherokee and no treaty will ever *make* them Cherokee - there is a Black Indian Tribe in this country and they, I'm sure would be welcome to join that - why they want to maintain their own slave roots is puzzling since Blacks won't allow the south to fly the Confederate flag over their capitals - the soldiers of the civil war paid with their blood to free the slaves - I guess they don't appreciate that)

Cherokee Nation Principal Chief Chad Smith says he had asked to be included in the forum's panel but was turned down. (The chief has repeatedly requested a meeting with Rep Watson and to date she has ignored that request - however, they did include David Cornsilk on their panel, who is known for trying to tear the Cherokee Nation down and sees the Freedmen as a voting block which he can use - talk about folks putting their heads in the sand for their own purposes - this is it - I guess they figure if they ignore the facts long enough, they'll go away....)

The Tahlequah-based tribe is 1 of the largest in the nation.

Friday, September 26, 2008

McCain wins 1st Debate

Yep, McCain and Palin are well on the road to the WH!

He's real, authentic, experienced and tested!
She's real, authentic and experienced!

Both good for America and Americans!

(Pssst, Obama, book learnin' is good but doesn't hold a candle to life learnin')

Good News

Cherokee Nation News Release

(918) 207-3896 Fax (918) 458-6181

E-mail: srusco@cherokee.org

September 25, 2008

U.S. Senate Agrees to Let Courts Decide Freedmen Issue

Washington, D.C.— The United States Senate passed a measure today preserving Cherokee Nation’s federal funding for housing services as long as a tribal court order allowing citizenship for non-Indian Freedmen descendants remains in place throughout the tribal court case that will determine their eligibility for citizenship in the Cherokee Nation.

“The language in the bill is a sign that Congress recognizes the sovereignty and authority of tribal courts to settle internal disputes, which should be considered a victory for not only the Cherokee Nation but all tribes,” said Chad Smith, Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation.

The provision was included in the Native American Housing and Self-Determination Act reauthorization passed by the Senate today. Currently, more than 300 non-Indian descendants of Freedmen are suing the Cherokee Nation in tribal district court over a Constitutional amendment passed by Cherokee voters in March 2007 that restricted citizenship to people who had an Indian ancestor listed on the Cherokee Nation’s base roll. That amendment effectively ended a one-year period in which non-Indians were allowed to register as citizens based on a 2006 tribal court ruling. Those non-Indian Freedmen whose citizenship is in question have full citizenship rights, including access to social services and the right to vote, because of a May 2007 tribal court order that continues citizenship while the case is pending.

“While it is unfortunate that Congress voted to single out an Indian tribe over a disagreement about the tribe’s internal citizenship criteria, it is a good sign that they have decided that this is a matter that should be decided by the courts and not by politics,” said Smith. “I want to thank Senators Coburn, Dorgan and Murkowski (Republican, Democrat, Republican, I think) for their leadership and for proposing this solution in a way that is not punitive to Cherokees who need housing assistance, since the matter is still being decided in a court of law.” (considering Fanny Mae, Fredie Mac and all those Wall Street firms holding toxic mortages for houses in or going into foreclosure - I'd say every Cherokee in the US ought to have at least a 2 story house - no income needed.)

More information on the Cherokee Nation and the issue of non-Indian Freedmen citizenship is available online at

http://www.cherokeenationfacts.org/ and http://www.meetthecherokee.org/.

(this went to the House Floor on 9/27/2008 and I'm not sure if just the amendment passed, to wait for a court decision in the freedmen case or the entire bill H.B. 2786 passed)

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I suspect some of those claiming Cherokee ancestry will find their roots in these Tribes

Virginia Tribes Get Senate Hearing

By NEIL H. SIMON, Media General News Service
September 25 2008


WASHINGTON—Calling the treatment of Virginia’s American Indian tribes “criminal by today’s standards,” the top U.S. senator on Indian affairs said Virginia tribes could see action within six months on a bill to grant them federal recognition.

Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., chair of the Senate Indian Affairs Committee, made the announcement at a hearing on the bill that included testimony from Gov. Timothy Kaine, D-Va.

Despite coming on the eve of Congress’ planned adjournment, Virginia chiefs said it gave them new optimism for a bill they’ve been lobbying for since 1999.

“I leave here with hope” said Chief Stephen Adkins of the Chickahominy Tribe after the hearing. “I’m very optimistic the right thing is going to happen.”

Federal recognition would make the six tribes eligible for federal funds for housing, education and senior care for the tribes’ estimated 3,000 members. The legislation bars them from pursuing gambling.

The House passed the bill (HR 1294) in May 2007. Thursday’s Senate hearing was the furthest it has ever gone in the legislative process.

But with Congress set to adjourn as soon as lawmakers pass a major economic bailout, tribal activists knew passage of their bill in the final hours was unlikely. Dorgan told them to look ahead to next year.

“Hopefully in the first quarter when we get back next year, this committee will take action and make a decision,” Dorgan said, adding that Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va., had been “irritatingly aggressive” in urging the committee to hold a hearing on the bill.

Danny Jefferson, a member of the Chickahominy Tribe, said it felt good to have lawmakers hear their story again, but he was hoping this year would be the year for action.

“We were looking at the last quarter of this year,” he said. “The evidence is all there.”

In 1983 the commonwealth officially recognized the six tribes now seeking federal recognition: Chickahominy, Eastern Chickahominy, Upper Mattaponi, Rappahannock, Nansemond, and Monacan Indian Nation.

Kaine called federal recognition of the Virginia tribes a matter of “fundamental justice.”

Rep. Jim Moran, D-Va., said a 1924 Virginia law called the Racial Integrity Act amounted to “a paper genocide,” by forcing indigenous people to declare themselves white or colored on state records. The Supreme Court struck down the law in 1967.

Moran introduced the recognition bill in 1999. He argued Thursday Virginia tribes face an unfair challenge in trying to demonstrate their ancestry to the federal government because of the state’s old records law.

“We’ve got to rectify this,” Moran said.

(I for one believe that many folks claiming Cherokee Ancestry, really come from other tribes but since they can't prove that ancestry they try to claim Cherokee ancestry - with the hopes of gaining recognition via associations with the Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma - so maybe this will begin to curtail all the self ID Indians from stealing Cherokee IDs)

Let the Free Market (Capitalism) work this out!

It seems to me if left alone the market would work out it's own problems.

Apparently there are a lot of illegals that took out loans, defaulted and now Congress wants us to pay for those as well.

This keeps housing prices up, the borders *open* and we'll start a new round as soon as this one is over.

Lenders need to understand, if they make a bad loan, they get to keep the *paper*. If they can't sell all that bad paper, they go out of business.

Not to mention the foreign investors, I mean do we really have to help those folks? We've given them our jobs and now our tax money!

Thursday, September 25, 2008


JP Morgan Chase is buying Washington Mutual....!!

See those smart folks on Wall Street know what to do....:)

The crisis will probably be over before Congress can agree on anything...:)

Oh, I hope they let the branches stay and the name WaMu....:)

Good show JP Morgan !!


Save Washington Mutual if you have to save any of them!

Never thought in a 2000 years I'd ever agree with Newt Gingrich however, free market says let these folks go...credit is going to tighten either way for the average person...

If you have to go with this rescue, please save Washington Mutual...couldn't have been mismanaged any worse than the rest, however, they are the most customer and Internet friendly of all the banks, with some real old time customer relation values!

Palin's money to the people seems to be catching on

Gov. Sarah Palin taxes big oil and then sent the surplus tax back to the people of Alaska and apparently this idea of sending out *surplus* or *stimulus* money to folks in the lower 48 is catching on as well, as Nancy Palosi is going to intro legislation to do the same thing...problem is, is this money *borrowed* from China?

I guess this is the only way to keep the economy going *give folks money to spend*....something wrong with this picture...how long can this go on??

More Palin distortions

Call of the Wild
September 24, 2008
A wildlife group's ad attacks Palin for supporting the shooting of wolves from airplanes. She does, but there's more to it than that.

Palin and the Wolf

There's a lot of emotional huffing and puffing in the ad. It says "Sarah Palin actively promotes the brutal and unethical aerial hunting of wolves and other wildlife" and says she encourages "cruelty" and "champions ... savagery." But strip away the emotional characterization and we're left with a description of Palin's position that is essentially factually correct, though incomplete. (I think there's just a lot of huffing and puffing by Obama supporters all around up there in Alaska)

Subsistence hunters are a major priority in wildlife management in Alaska, although a subsistence hunter is hard to define. Clarke offered some statistics: About 20 percent of Alaska's population, or roughly 135,000 people, is classified as rural. About 92 percent to 100 percent of rural Alaskans use wild fish for food to some extent, and 79 percent to 92 percent use wildlife.


(sorry folks but we have coyotes here in Orange County, CA that come right into the backyards of folks with small children - as much as I love wild life and the wolf - they need to be *controlled* - when they place young children into harms way - they must go - we have adults killed every year by mountain lions in the National Forests around here as well - they need to be controlled as well - note here that FactCheck.org states that this helps to preserve Native Alaskans subsistence rights)

I really find this hard to believe - I'm inclined to believe these are *partisan* folks trying to get Obama elected

A dismal record

Story Published: Sep 24, 2008

Story Updated: Sep 24, 2008


Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin “has cited her husband’s and children’s Alaska Native heritage as signs that she is committed to and well-versed on Native issues” [“Native ‘first dude’ holds power,” Vol. 28, Iss. 14]. Other Indian Country Today reporting has included the claim of W. Ron Allen, a member of the American Indians for McCain Coalition and chairman of the Jamestown S’Klallam Tribe, that “if she and Sen. McCain are elected, it would provide a basis for a stronger Indian policy” [“Republican Natives react favorably to Palin VP selection,” Vol. 28, Iss. 14].

The trouble with both of these comments is that she has been a vociferous opponent of Native rights in Alaska, according to Native rights attorney Lloyd Miller of Anchorage and other leaders in the Alaska Native community. (say what? a Native Alaskan against subsistence rights - must be related to these controlled wolf hunts - controlled wolf hunts protect subsistence rights)

Once in office, Palin continued litigation that seeks to overturn every subsistence fishing determination the federal government has ever made in Alaska. The goal of Palin’s lawsuit is to invalidate all the subsistence fishing regulations the federal government has issued to date to protect Native fishing and to diminish subsistence fishing rights in order to expand sport and commercial fishing. Palin has also sought to invalidate critical determinations the Federal Subsistence Board has made regarding customary and traditional uses of game, specifically to take hunting opportunities away from Native subsistence villagers and thereby enhance sport hunting.

Palin opposes Alaska tribal sovereignty. Palin argues that Alaska tribes have no authority to act as sovereigns, despite their recognition. So extreme is she on tribal sovereignty issues that she has sought to block tribes from exercising any authority whatsoever, even over the welfare of Native children, adhering to a 2004 legal opinion issued by the former Republican governor (whom she defeated - I can see why) that no such jurisdiction exists (except when a state court transfers a matter to a tribal court). Thankfully, both the state and federal courts have struck down Palin’s policy of refusing to recognize the sovereign authority of Alaska tribes to address issues involving Alaska Native children. (I think probably saying Alaska's policy would be better than saying Palin's policy, I'm sure she didn't single handed do all this.....:) - sounds like the politicians in that area have been isolated for much to long - thus all the corruption up there, which Palin took on by the way - I suspect judging from the FactCheck.org piece on the wild life ad running, these are just more distortions of what is going on in Alaska)

Palin also has refused to accord proper respect to Alaska Native languages and voters by refusing to provide language assistance to Yup’ik-speaking Alaska Native voters. (wow, they don't even do this in Oklahoma) As a result, she was just ordered by a special three-judge panel of federal judges to provide various forms of voter assistance to Yup’ik voters residing in southwest Alaska. Citing years of state neglect, Palin was ordered to provide trained poll workers who are bilingual in English and Yup’ik; sample ballots in written Yup’ik; a written Yup’ik glossary of election terms; consultation with local tribes to ensure the accuracy of Yup’ik translations; a Yup’ik language coordinator; and pre-election and post-election reports to the court to track the state’s efforts.

Measured against some of the rights that are most fundamental to Alaska Native tribes – the subsistence way of life, tribal sovereignty and voting rights – Palin’s record is dismal despite her husband’s Native heritage. (the state has nothing to do with tribal sovereignty and the 9th circuit is known for upholding those rights)

G. Michael Harmon
Pensacola, Fla.

(ah and this person lives in Florida, so he should know....:))

I find it hard to believe Palin would ignore Native Alaskans

(many of the problems in Native Alaskan country is also the same that is suffered by all Native Americans - and those who do these things are generally not of one party or the other - there are usually some other self interest involved - and these cases were all started before she was ever governor - I seriously doubt any governor would just step in and request that all claims started by a prior administration would or should be dismissed - when there are differences of opinion, those are the cases that go to the courts for a decision - whether or not she could even have had them dismissed is also another matter - sometimes, it's better to have the courts *finally* decide an issue rather than to have it linger on and on for ever ending conflicts they create)

Alaska governor loses subsistence rights appeal

Wednesday, September 24, 2008


An Alaska Native subsistence rights case that Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee, appealed was rejected by a federal court on Tuesday.

In a unanimous decision, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals refused to overturn federal approval of a subsistence moose hunt in rural Alaska. The Cheesh-na Tribal Council won the right to expand its traditional and customary hunting area before the Federal Subsistence Board.

Palin's administration challenged the board's approval in hopes of limiting where tribal members could hunt. But the 9th Circuit said the evidence strongly favored the tribal council, whose leaders intervened in the case with the help of the Native American Rights Fund.

NARF attorney Heather Kendall-Miller represented the tribe and its president, Larry Sinyon. She cited the case in a widely-read critique of Palin that has been circulating in Indian Country ever since the governor was selected by Sen. John McCain (R-Arizona) as his running mate.

"Palin's attack here has targeted (among others) the Ahtna Indian people in Chistochina; and although the federal court last year rejected this challenge, too, Palin has refused to lay down her arms," wrote Kendall-Miller and her husband, Lloyd Miller, another prominent Native rights attorney. "The battle has thus moved on to the appellate courts." (the Millers are dedicated Obama supporters - so there is a wee bit of bias to what she claims Palin did or didn't do)

McCain supporters have dismissed the charges as unfounded. In an interview with Indian Country Today, Ken Johns, the president of the Ahtna Inc., an Alaska Native regional corporation whose shareholders are affected by the case, said Palin was only trying to protect the state's interests. (her sworn duty, by the way - and as Native Americans do we really believe any party is going to *really* stand up for Native Rights?)

"She inherited these cases, and I'm not surprised she didn't just drop them," Johns told ICT.

Palin's Republican predecessor, former governor Frank Murkowski, initiated the challenge to the Federal Subsistence Board's decision in 2005. But it was Palin who took the case to the 9th Circuit -- after a federal judge issued a final judgment in June 2007, her administration filed the opening brief with the appellate court in December 2007, a year after she took office.

With subsistence a hot political issue in Alaska, it's not unheard of for the state's top executive to become personally involved in litigation. In 2001, former governor Tony Knowles (D) stopped the state from taking a significant Native rights case to the U.S. Supreme Court after meeting with Katie John, the Native elder at the heart of the dispute.

"We must stop a losing legal strategy that threatens to make a permanent divide among Alaskans," Knowles, who remains popular among Alaska Natives, said at the time. "I believe Alaska must do everything it can to protect, not fight, the subsistence rights of rural Alaskans."

Knowles unsuccessfully ran against Palin for the governor's seat in 2006 and tried to make her lack of experience with Alaska Natives an issue in the campaign. After Palin canceled a meeting with Native executives, she acknowledged she didn't "know enough" about the issue.

"I didn't know enough about tribal government and we did not have time to do all the research to give the subject its due," Palin told The Anchorage Daily News in October 2006.

McCain supporters have noted that Palin's husband, Todd, is Alaska Native but his heritage doesn't appear to have brought about any major changes in the state's tumultuous relationship with Alaska Natives. State Republicans have long refused to accept the federal status of the more than 200 tribes in the state and they funded lengthy battles against Native subsistence rights. (I'm not sure the state needs to accept federally recognized tribes - and as I recall, Gov. Palin fought her own party and had several removed as well as defeating the current Republican Governor)

Last year, Palin appointed a Native subsistence rights opponent to an important state board. She relented only after Native groups complained. A Native person was appointed instead.

The Palins are at the heart of an investigation into the firing of Walt Monegan, the first Alaska Native to serve as public safety commissioner. Todd Palin refused to testify before a state legislative panel that was created to look into the matter. (I just really find it hard to believe all of this - something smells and it's Miller's Obama connection)

After firing Monegan, Palin appointed someone who was the subject of a sexual harassment complaint. That candidate withdrew amid controversy and she ended up appointing a Native person to the post.

(the 9th Circuit has a reputation for upholding Native Rights)

9th Circuit Decision:
Alaska v. Federal Subsistence Board (September 23, 2008)

It really is amazing how Non Indians think they should be part of the Cherokee Nation

Published September 24, 2008 05:01 pm -

THE PEOPLE SPEAK: Chief fights to preserve sovereignty and rights


A response to William Austin and Jack Johnson message written on signs they were holding at the non-Indian freedmen protest in front of the BIA:

It appears from what their signs said that Austin and Johnson would like for the Cherokee people to lie down, shut up and give up their sovereign rights to the U.S. government.

We thank the Creator that we have a principal chief who is fighting to preserve the historical sovereign rights of Cherokee people to determine their own citizenship criteria.

Like our ancestors who fought and sacrificed for the sovereignty of the Cherokee Nation, our chief has continued the struggle today. Chief Chad Smith’s efforts have benefited the Cherokee Nation and all Native American nations in this country.

He honored his sworn oath and our ancestors when he fought for the Cherokee citizens all the way to the U.S. court of appeals last month. The court dismissed the freedmen’s lawsuit against the Cherokee Nation that sought to compel the tribe to give non-Indians the right to citizenship.

Cherokee Nation paperwork is color blind when it comes to citizenship requirements. It does not matter what the color of one’s skin happens to be because citizenship requires only that you have at least one Cherokee ancestor on the tribe’s base roll.

Austin and Johnson’s attacks are misdirected. Under the law, neither the chief, deputy chief, tribal council nor the tribal Supreme Court may determine Cherokee citizenship. Only the Cherokee citizens themselves, by majority vote per the Constitution may determine the citizenship criteria.

It is a sad shame that Austin and Johnson put their own self-serving desires above protection of the sovereignty of all Indian Nations. If Smith stood back and let anti-Indian sovereignty advocates working in tandem with a California congresswoman force our tribe to accept non-Indian citizens, it would not only diminish the sovereignty of the Cherokee Nation but that of every federally recognized tribe in this country. Smith has our family’s full support, our thanks and prayers.

C. Russo

Wednesday, September 24, 2008

Tuesday, September 23, 2008

Truth is...

(they *the United Cherokee Nation* consider us *outlanders* as traitors, since we do not live in or have moved from the 14 county area of the Cherokee Nation located in Oklahoma - the Freedmen even those living in Oklahoma outside this area will be subject to the same rules as the rest of us *outlanders*....)

If participation were as it should be, where those of us who live under the governance of the CNO and must tolerate the corruption and abuse, we would be out-voting the Cherokees who live far beyond our borders and reach of these crimes. Again, I would not be having this conversation with you.

However, outlanders tend to vote in greater numbers and in greater ignorance of the plight of we who live under the governance of corrupt leadership. They, joining with the disconnected residents here and the hangers-on who benefit from the corruption, those Cherokees who bear the burden are grossly outnumbered to point where they continue to vote in fewer and fewer numbers.

As an outlander, you are only important to the Cherokee people within the Nation if you are educated to the plight of those who bear the burden of governance. If you vote out of ignorance or the deception pepetrated by the Chief's propoganda machine, then your vote means nothing to us, except that it might be the vote that continues the harm or puts an end to it.

No Fred, I'm not trying to get you to register and vote for your own sake, because you don't live under the burden of our governance. I am asking you to register and vote with the knowledge that your vote means more to us than it ever will to you.

for the entire post:

(Other posts show that *Fred* is a member of the Cherokee satellite community of Cherokees of Orange County, California - see other posts for his *confusion* on these matters - many of us are confused by this treatment....:))

Ah, dissension amount the Black Indians

What's with all this whining about who is and isn't on the Congressional Black Caucus panel on the Freedmen? I was scheduled to speak last year and couldn't make it. I'm going this year and am not scheduled. So what? At least there is a panel and the issue remains before Congress and the American people.

It seems to me what is going on is an effort to regain a voice by those who have been shut out of the process by their OWN choice to create dissension and division in the Freedmen movement.

Eleanor "Gypsy" Wyatt and her gang of so called chiefs, Angela Molette and her so called Freedmen Nations and anyone else who is not behind the Descendants of Freedmen of the Five Tribes just want their name in the limelight. Get over yourselves. (they're all descendants of slaves of former Indian families apparently)

Wyatt's group wants federal recognition for the Freedmen separate from their tribal nations. She wants a casino. Molette is no different, although she has not made her financial desires known, I believe she sees herself as High Priestess of a Freedmen Nation. If these people put as much effort into supporting the Freedmen movement as they do in pushing their own agendas, who knows where things might be by now. (and we agree, if the Freedmen of the 5 Civilized Tribes can be included as *members* of the 5, then why exclude any of the slave descendants - by giving them a Black Indian Nation, they all are now *Indians*)

Marilyn Vann is the president of the group that represents ALL of the Freedmen of the Five Tribes. Her participation in the panel covers them all, period, enough said. And FYI, Marilyn is a descendant of both Cherokee and Chickasaw Freedmen. Her blood ancestry alone speaks for both groups. (there is no proof that she has any Indian blood - some Freedmen have an ancestor on the Freedmen Roll of the Dawes Roll but it is common knowledge that they were NOT Indian by blood)

Joe Byrd is a citizen of the Cherokee Nation, a tribe with cases that are now in the federal courts and the only tribe with a case in tribal or federal court. The Cherokee Nation is the main focus of the Watson Bill even though it does include the other tribes. The other freedmen don't have a case in any court. (the Watson Bill ONLY includes the CHEROKEE NATION - all tribes have different rules that govern these folks - the Congressional Black Caucus by excluding the Cherokee Nation from funding in an Indian Health Care Bill and Housing Bill by amendment, have used this to force all Indian Tribes to suffer because of a few non Cherokee who want *membership* in the Cherokee Nation - if you give the Black Indians their own Tribe, problem solved)

Jon Velie was the attorney of record for the Seminole Freedmen. He won their citizenship back at great financial and personal cost to himself. While it is true the Seminole Freedmen have second class citizenship, there are no lawsuits, no petitions, nothing that would give an indication that a majority of the Seminole Freedmen are dissatisfied with their fate. The CBC Conference is a missed opportunity for the Seminole Freedmen to have delivered a written memorial petition to Congress regarding their plight. (what plight? they're members of the Seminole Nation, what else did they want? an attitude shift from folks they've been forced upon?)

And in the end, what did the Seminole Freedmen want? They got their vote back, all they need do now is get out the vote and elect leadership that will change the laws of THEIR nation. A voting block is a powerful tool of democracy. It is not the business of Congress to do the work that should be done by the Seminole Freedmen themselves. (Oh, I suspect it goes much deeper than just a voting block and the Cornsilks' true agenda comes out here - a voting block of Cherokee Freedmen at their disposal....most interesting - that's what they call the California Cherokees, a voting block for the current administration and they do dislike us for that)

The Creek Freedmen have Allen Mitchell to speak for them. He is a Creek Freedman. Has anyone asked that their concerns be included in his speech? Creek Freedmen situation is nearly identical to the Choctaw Freedmen. Has anyone bothered to ask him to mention the plight of the Choctaw Freedmen?

The Watson Bill addresses all five tribes and their freedmen. (no, it only addresses government to government relations with the Cherokee Nation, the language in the Bill is very specific) The Chickasaw Freedmen constitute a whole other ball of wax. At this moment, they are included because they are Freedmen, not because they have any justifiably rights in the Chickasaw Nation.

And finally, while the Freedmen of the Five slave-holding tribes may see themselves as one people, NO ONE ELSE DOES. Yes, they are black and that ties them together. They are oppressed and that ties them together. There is strength in numbers and that ties them together. But they are all separated by their national origins in one or more of the Five Tribes and the laws and treaties applying only to each tribe. (sorry, I see them as one people, they are all descendants of former Indian family slaves - they have no specific provable blood lines to any of the Big 5 Tribes - at least in the Cherokee Nation, all those Freedmen with provable blood lines included on the Dawes Roll ARE citizens of the Cherokee Nation)

Clearly, the passage of time and separation from the Nation of their ancestors has nearly extinguished the Freedmen's sense of belonging to SEPARATE tribes with discrete rights and obligations NOT binding upon the other tribes. (they have their own customs and Identity, they need to develop that, rather than trying to imitate or *take* Cherokee ID or any other tribal Identity)

I don't know what the effect of all this whining will have, but I suspect that those who have fought for the Freedmen are feeling a little abused themselves right now. (well, apparently all this whining got the Vann group a hearing or conference with the Congressional Black Caucus - so what about the REST of the BLACK INDIANS!)

David Cornsilk




Dr. Bob, no disrespect intended, but Eleanor Wyatt has a club comprised of descendants of former slaves of the Five Civilized Tribes. The only cohesiveness the group has is their common heritage to slavery by Indians. There is no inherent sovereignty in your group and nothing that could be recognized as a nation by Congress or the Cherokee people. The only rights the freedmen have are as citizens/members of their respective nations. Otherwise your group is just a bunch of black folks playing Indian. The future of the freedmen depends upon unity with their nations, not claiming to be chiefs, clan mothers and whatever other hogwash Gypsy has concocted. (apparently not all Freedmen are equal)




(former slaves and their descendants of all Tribes, need their own Black Indian Tribe - problem solved)

Monday, September 22, 2008

5 Civilized Tribe Freedmen advocate for only themselves

I’m a firm believer, when talking about injustices in the Indian Nations, you must speak about all the Freedmen of the respective tribes in the same breath. If you just speak of one Tribe, then people won’t know that four other Tribes are practicing the same injustices toward their Freedmen. At the same event where I talked to Dan Boren, my state representative, Kenneth Corn, approached me, and, asked, if the Choctaw Nation was doing the same thing to their Freedmen as the Cherokees. He appeared to not know because all he has been hearing about is the Cherokee Freedmen.

I don’t like the way this whole Freedmen issue has been handled from the beginning. I thought when Congress found out how taxpayers monies were been used by the Five Tribes to discriminate, they would prosecute all of them at the same time. It should not have mattered if Marilyn Vann had an ongoing lawsuit in the Cherokee Nation. I think Congress should have branded the issue as Freedmen issues of the five Tribes instead of Cherokee issue. All five Tribes are breaking federal laws and should be prosecuted at the same time.

for the rest of the post:

Black Indians

(hmmmm, Black Indians apparently already have their own tribe - they just need federal recognition - the Congressional Black Caucus should address this issue as well or are they going to blend them all into the Tribe each group is located near? The simpler solution would be to just grant these folks their own recognition and let all the freedmen, regardless of where they are located, join them as well. They're on the road apparently with a State Recognition here as well according to their web site.

This issue is really much much larger than just a Freedmen issue of the Five Civilized Tribes - so would we dare suggest that the Congressional Black Caucus should address all these folks as well or would that be opening a *can of worms*)


Who they are:
The Word Binay means Strong Stone.

The Word is also the pronunciation for BlackIndians & Intertribal Native American Association The Word was adopted by this tribe to express who we are.
A Native American group of people who are mixed with other nationalities.

A very large group of Binay are of African [Black] Ancestry. And since this is the case we are called BlackIndians. Though this group is controversial we are in no way a hate group or racist group. We are an Intertribal Native American Association in good standing and recognized in the state of IL as a legitimate Native American Tribal group. Not all of our members are of African ancestry.

We have some full blood members, we also have blood quantum members as low as 1/16 Th. We do not discriminate or promote segregation and feel there is no place for it.

We do not promote separation in our communities. We believe this makes a people weak. We believe Together we stand, divided we fall. Or we simply don't move forward. Though Some Binay members do live on Indian reservations most do not. This Tribal community is not about racism. We are about tribal unity. Something that we feel is needed across Indian country. We are here to serve the people and fellowship. We will continue and promote our heritage We will continue to keep our Creator and we will continue to assist and honor our elders.

We are The Binay Tribe.

The Binay Tribe was formed in 1989. In an effort to teach others about Black Native Americans Chief Jerry Eaglefeather spoke of his heritage to others and shared of his legacy. Having a father who is full blooded Native American of Apache and Mohawk ancestry he was taught much of his culture through out the years.

Never feeling fully connected to any ethnic group Eaglefeather set out to learn who he was.

Remembering the Cherokee story's of his mother, and the Apache songs of his father he became a singer, dancer, and story teller.

Chief Traveled the Pow wows for over 25 years and learned as he went along. With countless full blood family and friends he now teaches Native traditions to those who care to learn.

Another Message Board on this Issue:


We don’t need government to make our choices (look what's going on in Wall Street and the Feds now - economic collapse)

Joe Martin • published September 18, 2008 12:15 am


Tribal government needs to abandon the practice of paternalism.

Tribal members, not tribal government, are the best ones to make certain decisions that affect them individually, but that’s a concept tribal government continuously fails to grasp.

We saw a proposal from Wolfetown Rep. Susan Toineeta which would make serving alcohol illegal (currently only the sale of alcohol is banned on tribal land). That didn’t work during Prohibition, and it won’t work now. Most recently Principal Chief Michell Hicks vetoed a referendum to allow the sale of alcohol in the casino, based upon his own personal disapproval of alcohol use.

Where does it end?

To these elected officials: Why stop there? How many children are born out of wedlock? How many tribal members have diabetes complicated by poor diet and lifestyles? How many tribal members smoke, dip or chew? How many of them have gotten cancer because of tobacco use or poor lifestyle choices? How many blow their per capita on frivolous items?

It’s a given that when some people get to make their own choices, they’ll make bad choices. However, when people make bad decisions, they also endure the consequences of those decisions. For most it’s a valuable learning experience.

Look at some of the decisions of tribal government over the last few years that have had negative consequences. There was the decision to remove education funding from tribal levy in order to put more in Marketing & Promotions. The result was a number of higher education students that year didn’t get funded by roughly the same amount they would’ve gotten from tribal levy. There was the decision to pursue Wal-Mart with promises of higher levy, but unanswered questions of how much it will cost the tribe in lost revenue from small businesses put out of business. Then there was the golf course, putting the tribe in debt and leaving tribal members with an uneasy feeling given the tribe’s past with running anything.

Some of us just don’t trust tribal government to make decisions that individual tribal members should be making on their own. So if some tribal members want to have a glass of wine with dinner or a beer during Monday Night Football, it’s none of tribal government’s business. Let the people make their own decisions. It’s what democracy is all about, and the paternalistic mentality exhibited by tribal government is the very mentality the tribe’s ancestors fought for centuries.

Joe Martin won third place for Individual Best Editorial Writing at the 2004 Native Media Awards from the Native American Journalists Association at the 2004 UNITY Journalists of Color convention in Washington. He lives on tribal trust lands in the Cherokee County community.

Whatever happened to the Black Hills money?

A Story Dying to Be Told

By Tim Giago (Nanwica Kciji)

© 2008 Native American Journalists Foundation, Inc.

September 22, 2008


When Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns and Merrill Lynch took a shellacking in the world of high finances last week many leaders of Indian tribes were hot on the phone lines to their brokers and money managers. I wonder how many of them will relay the information of their financial losses to their tribal members?

Because of extreme secrecy it's hard to determine how much money was lost by the Indian nations particularly to those tribes with rich casino operations, but you can place one sure bet on this fiasco; if they played the market they lost.

On July 31, 2008 the money in the interest bearing accounts of the tribes involved in Black Hills Settlement Claim, Docket 74B, was at $815,616,678.20 and the money invested in the Docket 74A account was at $113,193,512.73. If you combine the totals of these two accounts they come to $928,810,190.93 million. Now that is as close to $1 billion as you can get. How many members of the Great Sioux Nation knew what was in their accounts or how much money was lost on Wall St.?

My sources tell me that millions of dollars of the Black Hills money was lost and the hope is that the recovery after the announced federal bailout may help to recoup some or most of it.

It strikes me as amazing that in the 1980 U. S. Census, four of the top 10 counties listed as the "Poorest Counties in America," were located on Indian reservations in South Dakota, with Shannon County, the seat of the Pine Ridge Reservation, taking the number one spot as the single poorest county in America. That was nearly 30 years ago and this is the time the original awards of $105,994,430.52 for Docket B, and $40,245,807.02 for Docket 74A, were handed down by the Court of Claims to the tribes of the Great Sioux Nation. As you can see, after nearly 30 years, the interest bearing accounts have grown considerably, but in those years there have been ups and downs as the market fluctuated.

Docket 74B was for the illegal taking of the Black Hills and Docket 74A for the taking of lands east of the Hills. For all of the of gold, silver, uranium, timber, water and other natural resources taken from the stolen lands until this very day, the monetary award offered to the Lakota, Dakota and Nakota people was less than puny. It was an insult. The people of the Great Sioux Nation have not received a single shilling for the theft of their homeland.
For all of those who boldly stand up on their hind legs and ask, "What about all of the money the Indians got for hospitals, schools, government and welfare?" the answer is for them to look into their own back yards at the millions they have received from the federal government for much of the same opportunities with one exception: They did not have to give up millions of acres of land to receive those benefits. All of the supposed gifts to the Indian people that non-Indians complain about were negotiated between two sovereign nations for the most part, or decided unilaterally by the federal government after it had consolidated its power over the Indian people. When the enemies of the United States became defenseless, that is when the outright theft of their lands began.

When the poorest people in America turn up their noses at nearly $1 billion dollars, what does that tell you? And why is this one of the least reported stories in this country? When a Lakota family is struggling to put food on the table or trying to find money to pay for a ride to the Indian hospital or grocery store or is looking at ways to survive another South Dakota winter with a premium on heating expenses, don't you believe that they think about what they could do with the money sitting in a money market on Wall Street?

And yet they refuse to accept the money. This is one of the major stories of the century and yet it continues to go unreported in the mainstream media and even in the American Indian media. Why?

I would truly like for someone at CNN, MSNBC, FOX Network News or CBS, NBC and ABC or the New York Times, to give me and the Indian people an answer to that question.

If the news was about a takeover of a village, a violent confrontation, or worse, the MSM would be here in droves, but this story is apparently of no interest to them. Not violent enough? Not shocking enough? Too bad because it is a story that is begging to be told in all of its entirety.

If nothing else, the money lost by the Indian people of South Dakota by the money market collapse should be news. If it rocked America it certainly rocked the "poorest of the poor."

(Tim Giago, an Oglala Lakota, was born, raised and educated on the Pine Ridge Reservation in South Dakota. He was the founder and first president of the Native American Journalists Association and the founder and publisher of Indian Country Today, the Lakota Times, and the Dakota/Lakota Journal. He was a Nieman Fellow at Harvard in the Class of 1991. He can be reached at najournalist@msn.com)

(my understanding is that mutual funds as of Friday and money market funds are FDIC insured up to $100,000, wow, this is quite a loss if it comes to that - there are however some variables i.e. where the money is located and the stability of the institution it is in - but I think the larger question here is *why* these particular accounts exist in the first place? Perhaps the argument can be advanced now, that Indian Country needs its own banking system, after all we're already regulated by the feds, so why not let them take care of their own money - including casino moneys )

we haven't learned anything in eighty years

Will Rogers on Banking and Wall Street:

"I guess there is no two races of people in worse repute with everybody than the international bankers, and the folks that put all those pins in new shirts." Aug. 26, 1932

"The bankers just got a good cussing by everybody for loaning too much money. Well, they got some awful nice buildings. So when a banker fails, he fails in splendor." DT #2345, Feb. 7, 1934

"If a bank fails in China, they behead the men at the top of it that was responsible...If we beheaded all of ours that were responsible for bank failures, we wouldn't have enough people left to bury the heads." Feb. 6, 1927

"You can't break a man that don't borrow; he may not have anything, but Boy! he can look the World in the face and say, "I don't owe you Birds a nickel." You will say, (if everyone stops borrowing) what will all the Bankers do? I don't care what they do. Let 'em go to work, if there is any job any of them could earn a living at. Banking and After-Dinner Speaking are two of the most Non-essential industries we have in this country. I am ready to reform if they are." WA #14, March 18, 1923

[In a speech to the American Bankers Association convention in New York City] "You have a wonderful organization. I understand you have ten thousand here. And if you count the ones in the various federal prisons, it brings your total membership up to around thirty thousand." 1923

"Bankers are likeable rascals. Now that we are all wise to 'em, it's been shown that they don't know any more about finances than the rest of us know about our businesses, which has proved to be nothing." DT #1924, Oct. 4, 1932

"But we can't alibi all our ills by just knocking the old banker. First he loaned the money, then the people all at once wanted it back, and he didn't have it. Now he's got it again, and is afraid to loan it, so the poor devil don't know what to do." DT #1833, June 8, 1932

"We never will have any prosperity that is free from speculation till we pass a law that every time a broker or person sells something, he has got to have it sitting there in a bucket, or a bag, or a jug, or a cage, or a rat trap, or something, depending on what it is he is selling. We are continually buying something that we never get from a man that never had it." DT #1301, Sept. 24, 1930

"Just been talking today out here to all the Senators investigating these stock swindles and overcapitalizations. There has been hundreds of millions lost. There ought to be some form of guardianship for people that buy all this junk. Education won't do it. (The buyers are) the ones we have educated up till they are just smart enough to fall for everything that comes along." DT #2270, Nov. 12, 1933

"The whole financial structure of Wall Street seems to have fallen on the mere fact that the Federal Reserve Bank raised the amount of interest from 5 to 6 per cent. Any business that can't survive a 1 per cent raise must be skating on mighty thin ice... But let Wall Street have a nightmare and the whole country has to help get them back in bed again." DT #950, Aug. 12, 1929

"It's no laughing matter being a Republican in these perilous times. Anyone can be a Republican when the stock market is up, but when stocks are selling for no more than they're worth, I tell you, being a Republican – it's a sacrifice." Oct. 14, 1934

"I am not against (bull fighting). Every nation has their own affairs and own sports. Some nations like to see blood, and some like to see their victims suffer from speculation. It's all in your point of view. They kill the bull very quick. Wall Street lets you live and suffer." DT #1646, Nov. 1, 1931

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